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  • #147 Five Shoes for Change: Mastering Leadership Through Rapid Transitions and Change Management
    What makes change so difficult—even for organizations that know change is inevitable and even necessary for growth? If we all agree that staying in our comfort zones holds us back, why do we continue to resist change—and what can leaders do to help teams navigate it better? In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I sit down with Dennis Geelen, an accomplished author and consultant, to decode the human side of change management. We dive into strategies for easing transitions in workplaces rocked by mergers, tech shifts, and cultural upheaval. If you’ve ever faced pushback—even when a change is clearly for the greater good—Dennis’ actionable insights are for you. His creative approach takes the abstract concept of “change” and makes it tangible, actionable, and even relatable. From leadership lessons to frameworks you can use with your team tomorrow, Dennis explains it all with stories and wisdom. Here’s why you want to listen: Dennis not only brings decades of experience helping organizations lead through transition, but he also recently co-authored a new book, The Five Shoes for Change, that pairs his business expertise with clinical psychology insights. If you’re a leader, CX professional, or employee wondering why company change initiatives so often falter—or just want to build your own change muscle—this episode is essential listening. Three questions Dennis answers on the show: What are the five “shoes” you need to successfully lead yourself—and your team—through change? What are the most common missteps organizations make in change management, and how do these missteps affect employee experience? How can leaders identify and address emotional baggage that employees bring to organizational changes, such as mergers or acquisitions? Ready to build change resilience and transform your approach to leadership and customer experience? Tune in to this episode now. 👉 Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts 👉 Listen and subscribe on Spotify Available wherever you get your podcasts—don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share with your colleagues! Meet Dennis Geelen Dennis Geelen is a renowned author, consultant, and keynote speaker specializing in customer experience, change management, and leadership. As the founder of Zero In, he’s worked with organizations across North America, helping them create customer-obsessed cultures and navigate complex transformations. His new book, The Five Shoes for Change, is a collaboration with psychologist Christian McMillan, integrating clinical psychology with pragmatic business consulting to guide individuals and companies through the turbulent waters of change. Dennis is also the author of The Zero In Formula, where he outlines a system for sustainable growth, and The Accidental Solopreneur, drawing on his own journey to entrepreneurship. Known for his engaging storytelling, Dennis brings practical frameworks to bear—with a focus on actionable steps and self-awareness that leaders can immediately implement. Find Dennis on LinkedIn: Dennis Geelen on LinkedIn Learn more: dennisgeelen.me Book updates: 5shoesforchange.com (coming soon) References from this episode: JourneyTrack AI-powered Journey Mapping Whitepaper The Five Shoes for Change (coming fall 2025) Dennis Geelen on LinkedIn dennisgeelen.me Edward de Bono – Six Thinking Hats The Zero In Formula by Dennis Geelen The Accidental Solopreneur by Dennis Geelen
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  • #146 Balancing Agentic AI and Human Connection in the Contact Center
    Is your organization fully realizing the value of your contact center, or is it being limited by a narrow focus on efficiency and cost control? In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I sit down with renowned Canadian contact center consultant and trainer Mike Aoki to examine how contact centers serve as the real-time pulse of customer experience. Together, we explore the evolution of the contact center from its early telephone-based days to today's complex, omnichannel environments shaped by agentic AI and chatbot technology. The discussion underscores the significant impact that leadership priorities, technology decisions, and agent empowerment have on both customer outcomes and business performance. When the contact center is viewed merely as a cost center and subjected to relentless efficiency metrics, organizations risk not only increased customer churn, but also missed opportunities for competitive intelligence, brand loyalty, and measurable business growth. You should listen to this episode if you are committed to building an organization where customer experience is not just a catchphrase, but a measurable advantage. Mike Aoki brings over three decades of frontline and management expertise in contact centers, working closely with major organizations such as the Royal Canadian Mint, EQ Bank, and Pitney Bowes. His insights are especially relevant to leaders navigating the intersection of AI adoption, agent turnover, and rising customer expectations. In this conversation, Mike provides clear, actionable answers to these pressing questions: What are the key differences between traditional chatbots and agentic AI, and how should each be leveraged within evolving contact center operations? What are the most common mistakes leaders make when managing contact center performance, and what metrics truly matter for customer experience and long-term retention? How can organizations successfully integrate AI to support—not replace—human agents and ensure that complex, emotionally charged interactions lead to positive outcomes? If you are responsible for customer experience, service operations, or digital transformation, I would encourage you to listen and subscribe. Find the Delighted Customers podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, as well as all major podcast platforms. Meet Mike Aoki Mike Aoki is a leading Canadian customer service and sales trainer with more than 35 years of experience in every facet of contact center operations. He has advised prominent organizations including the Royal Canadian Mint, EQ Bank, and Pitney Bowes on how to leverage the contact center as a strategic source of customer insight and a driver of customer loyalty. Starting his career when contact centers were voice-only operations, Mike has guided businesses through significant transitions—from FAQ-based telephone service, to the adoption of email, to the complexities of omnichannel engagement and the rise of agentic AI. A noted speaker and writer, Mike emphasizes that while technology is essential for scale and efficiency, true customer experience excellence is achieved through a balanced focus on agent empowerment, emotional intelligence, and effectiveness. He challenges leaders to reconsider the metrics and incentives that shape agent behavior and to invest in both the technical and human sides of service delivery. Mike’s hands-on experience and practical frameworks have made him a respected voice in the industry. Connect with Mike on LinkedIn.
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  • #145 Beyond the Hard Sell: The Evolution of Loyalty in the Fitness Industry
    What if the secret to building a truly loyal gym membership—or any recurring customer base—starts the moment someone tries to leave? That question struck me while talking with Blair McHaney, a trailblazing fitness industry leader who’s spent more than 40 years reimagining how gyms can deliver customer (or, as Blair puts it, member) experience. Too often, fitness centers focus on sales at the expense of real loyalty, missing the deeper connection that gets members to not only return, but rave about you to others—even after they’ve canceled. In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, Blair reveals why retention isn’t about holding onto credit cards, but about keeping (or regaining) a place in members’ hearts and minds. We dive into actionable strategies for creating club experiences so powerful that over 50% of new signups are from people who used to be members—and choose to come back. Blair’s insights are essential listening not just for those in the fitness industry, but for anyone who wants to operationalize customer experience in a way that drives lasting loyalty and real business results. His expertise in data-driven experience design, journey mapping, and hospitality is second to none. Whether you lead a gym, a bank, or a tech company, Blair will challenge the way you think about member lifecycle, operational excellence, and the critical role of small, human moments that delight customers. Here are three burning questions Blair answers on the show: Is it a myth that gyms just want to sell as many memberships as possible, hoping for high turnover—or is there a smarter, more humane way to build retention and lasting brand love? What are the often-overlooked operational “basics” (think: cleanliness, equipment repair, and front desk hospitality) that form the foundation for differentiation in a crowded industry? How do journey mapping and persona-driven training—far beyond standard SOPs—transform employee culture and drive a superior customer experience at scale? I invite you to listen, subscribe, and share this episode! Find it on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, or search for Delighted Customers on your favorite podcast platform. Meet Blair McKaney Blair McHaney is an entrepreneur, innovator, and CX educator with over 40 years of hands-on leadership in the fitness industry. He currently serves as President and CEO of MX Metrics, Medallia’s fitness vertical partner, where he leads data-driven strategies to enhance member experiences across nearly 1,000 fitness clubs worldwide. Prior to that, Blair spent three formative years at Medallia as VP of Strategic Initiatives, where his operational expertise—not tech background—helped launch scalable approaches to customer and member experience management. He’s also an owner of two successful fitness clubs in Central Washington, where he’s pioneered a radically member-centered approach to retention, alumni creation, and frontline hospitality. Blair’s journey is a testament to learning by doing: from journeyman carpenter to gym owner at age 23, to tech-enabled CX leader, he’s obsessed with operationalizing experience. He’s a champion of “alumni creation”—ensuring members who leave do so as fans, not detractors—and believes the greatest opportunities in fitness (and beyond) are found in reimagining processes, policies, and employee education to put the customer first. Connect with Blair at LinkedIn or by email at [email protected].
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  • #144 From Data to Dollars: How Customer Value Drives Business Growth
    Is it time to finally admit that not all customers are created equal—and that treating them as if they are might be costing your business more than you realize? In this episode, I dig deep with Dan McCarthy, Associate Professor of Marketing at the University of Maryland and co-founder of Theta, to challenge one of the most hotly debated questions in customer experience: Should all customers be treated the same? Dan’s expertise in customer lifetime value (CLV) exposes a stark reality—most companies are bleeding money on large swaths of their customer base and missing out on major growth opportunities by not prioritizing their highest value customers. The impact of understanding, modeling, and acting on CLV? Smarter resource allocation, optimized acquisition channels, and retention strategies that actually move the needle. Why should you listen to Dan? His work—frequently featured in The Wall Street Journal, Harvard Business Review, Fortune, and The Economist—sits at the intersection of advanced academic research and bottom-line business outcomes. Having sold a business to Nike and now a partner at Theta, Dan brings a rare combination of rigorous analytics and practical execution, helping both corporate leaders and investors see their customers (and their value) more clearly. If you want your business to thrive—not just survive—in a customer-driven market, this episode is essential listening. Here are three burning questions Dan answers during our conversation: How do you accurately calculate customer lifetime value, and why do so many businesses get it wrong? What are the most common missteps that leaders make when trying to identify and serve high-value customers? How can customer data be used to shift business strategy, improve profitability, and even recalibrate entire corporate valuations? Be sure to tune in and subscribe on your platform of choice: Listen & Subscribe on Apple Podcasts Listen & Subscribe on Spotify And remember, The Delighted Customers Podcast is available on all your favorite podcast platforms! Meet Dan McCarthy Dan McCarthy is an Associate Professor of Marketing at the University of Maryland’s Robert H. Smith School of Business, and a co-founder of Theta, a leading business focused on customer lifetime value prediction and insights. Previously, Dan taught at Emory University’s Goizueta Business School for seven years before moving to Maryland (my alma mater—Go Terps!). Dan’s innovative research and commentary on customer lifetime value, corporate valuation, and unit economics have attracted national attention, appearing in media outlets such as Harvard Business Review, The Wall Street Journal, Fortune, Barron’s, CBS, CNBC, and The Economist. He is also nationally recognized for his work partnering with Dr. Peter Fader, with whom he initially founded a business acquired by Nike before their current collaboration at Theta. Before his academic career, Dan earned both his undergraduate and PhD degrees from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. He spent several years on Wall Street at a hedge fund, bringing a financial and data-driven lens to marketing science. As a frequent speaker and consultant, Dan helps enterprise leaders, marketers, and investors leverage advanced modeling to answer high-stakes questions about profitability, resource allocation, and growth. To connect with Dan, reach out on LinkedIn. References and Show Notes Learn more about Theta Connect with Dan McCarthy: LinkedIn Past podcast guests mentioned: Fred Reichheld (on CX metrics), Dr. Peter Fader (Wharton School, on not treating all customers the same) Read Dan's and Peter Fader’s research: Customer-Base Corporate Valuation Warby Parker (example discussed: CLV, growth, and valuation) Media coverage: Harvard Business Review, Wall Street Journal, Fortune, The Economist, USA Today, Barron's Delta Sky Club (loyalty programs and customer value example) Ready to rethink your approach to customers? Hit play and subscribe now!
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  • Introducing Travis Makes Money
    I would like to recommend the Travis Makes Money podcast. While there are many finance shows which focus on budgeting and saving techniques, Travis shows you how you can increase your income to achieve your dream lifestyle. I have become a huge fan of Travis and his show, and we hope you will enjoy it too.
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