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#191 Pei Ling Tin: A Life-Altering Election for Singapore's Youngest Elected Parliamentarian - Part Two
Part Two.
From psychology textbooks to political debates, Tin Pei Ling took an unexpected career turn—and not everyone was thrilled about it. Becoming Singapore’s youngest female parliamentarian meant facing criticism, age bias, and a whole lot of unsolicited advice. But instead of folding, she leaned into resilience, grassroots work, and a no-nonsense approach to leadership.
She also dives into her approach to navigating change (spoiler: it involves a lot of adapting and zero standing still), her fight for women’s empowerment, and why she sees regret as a motivational tool rather than a roadblock. And yes, there’s even a Lee Kuan Yew wisdom drop in here.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Three-Stage Change Model
“Change begins with unfreezing—understanding the need and motivation to move forward. But it’s in the second stage, where you think like a social psychologist, that you navigate the hardest part: adapting yourself and your environment. And finally, in refreezing, you solidify the new behaviors and build a foundation for sustainable growth.”
The Power of an MBA Journey
“Pursuing an MBA at a young age gave me a platform to learn from peers with diverse experiences. It wasn’t just the coursework, but the exposure to different perspectives that built the momentum for lifelong learning and growth.”
Advocating for Women’s Aspirations
“Balancing multiple roles isn’t easy, especially for women. My journey as a working mother has inspired me to advocate for better support systems, so women can pursue their dreams without sacrificing their personal or professional growth.”
Balancing Leadership and Motherhood
“There’s no such thing as perfect balance—there are always trade-offs. As a mother, an elected member of parliament, and a full-time professional, I’ve faced moments of guilt, like missing my son’s rapid growth during a general election. But with an ecosystem of support, I’ve managed to fulfill my roles and give back to my community.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Tin Pei Ling
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#190 Pei Ling Tin: A Life-Altering Election for Singapore's Youngest Elected Parliamentarian - Part One
Part One.
From psychology textbooks to political debates, Tin Pei Ling took an unexpected career turn—and not everyone was thrilled about it. Becoming Singapore’s youngest female parliamentarian meant facing criticism, age bias, and a whole lot of unsolicited advice. But instead of folding, she leaned into resilience, grassroots work, and a no-nonsense approach to leadership. Tune in to hear how she turned skeptics into supporters and lessons into legislation.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
A Life-Altering Election
“My first general election was intense—personally and professionally. As the youngest candidate and a woman, I faced doubts and criticisms. Every day, I had to focus on helping constituents despite the noise. It was a challenging baptism of fire but one that shaped my resilience and growth.”
The Unique Burdens of Social Media
“Social media amplifies everything. Comments—relevant or not—come in waves, and the pressure can be immense. Learning to filter the noise and focus on sincere feedback was crucial. Ultimately, actions spoke louder than words. Over time, trust and authenticity won out.”
Resilience Through Adversity
“Facing biases about age and gender was tough, but time became my ally. By consistently engaging with my constituents and showing my sincerity, I was able to forge bonds that matter deeply to me. Challenges don’t just test us—they teach us to thrive.”
The Power of Perspective
“Looking back, I see growth. The moments of doubt and struggle turned into valuable lessons. Now, I approach criticism with a clearer head and use those experiences to inspire others. Resilience isn’t just about enduring—it’s about learning and evolving.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Tin Pei Ling
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
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#189 Mary Shea PhD: From Classical Music to Closing Deals—The Art of Reinventing Your Career – Part Three
Hiring used to be about handshakes—now it’s about hacking the system. Mary Shea, GM of Hire Quotient and former co-CEO of Mediafly, spills the secrets of modern hiring, from decoding hidden talent pools to avoiding AI’s résumé black hole. Whether you’re job hunting, recruiting, or just trying to figure out why no one calls back anymore, this episode is for you.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
AI as a Recruiter’s Right Hand
“Offloading 75% of the recruiting workload, generative AI and automation work overtime, tackling bias and sourcing talent far beyond the usual platforms.”
Beyond LinkedIn
“Why limit your search to one platform? With integrations across tools like Crunchbase and Apollo, HireQuotient casts a wide net, uncovering passive and active candidates who often fly under the radar.”
Championing Diversity
“When male-dominated results dominated a recruiter’s search, HireQuotient adapted with a few new prompts, demonstrating how AI can open doors for underrepresented talent.”
White Glove Experience, AI-Style
“Automation doesn’t mean impersonal. By automating outreach and early-stage screening, recruiters had more time to build personal connections and keep candidates engaged.”
Omnichannel Humanity
“Use every channel, but never forget the power of face-to-face. It’s not just networking; it’s feeding your humanity.”
The Human Advantage
“AI might read resumes, but humans hire. Keep networking, stay visible, and remember that meaningful relationships can outlast any algorithm.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Mary Shea PhD
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
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#188 Mary Shea PhD: From Classical Music to Closing Deals—The Art of Reinventing Your Career – Part Two
Who needs a solo act when you can have a dynamic duo? In Part Two of this series, Mary Shea, General Manager of Hire Quotient and former co-CEO of Mediafly, takes us inside the world of co-CEOship—a growing leadership trend that’s part genius, part juggling act.
Mary unpacks what makes it work: trust, complementary skills, and a shared vision. But she’s also refreshingly candid about the pitfalls—slower decision-making, the need for a strong board, and why even the best co-leaders need a “business couples counselor.” If you’re rethinking leadership structures, this one’s for you.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
AI’s Impact on Sales Teams
“AI is paving the way for smaller, more agile sales teams, moving away from the traditional 80/20 rule toward a future where 80% of the team delivers 100% of the revenue.”
The Rise of the Consultant Seller
“AI acts as a coach on the salesperson’s shoulder, helping them become more advisory-oriented, and enabling deeper impact in customer interactions.”
Why Two CEOs?
“In today’s complex world, no single leader can address everything, from geopolitical challenges to the rapid pace of AI innovation. The co-CEO model allows for a divide-and-conquer approach.”
Challenges of Co-Leadership
“Decision-making can be slower, and sometimes we wish we could just do things our way. But alignment is key, and when it works, it’s incredibly impactful.”
Who’s the Umpire?
“Our ‘umpire’ is our investor and board. If we truly can’t resolve a disagreement, we rely on their input as the ultimate decision-maker.”
The Professional Marriage
“Co-CEOship is like a professional marriage—it requires resilience, commitment, and sometimes even a ‘marriage counselor’ in the form of an executive coach to navigate tough patches.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Mary Shea PhD
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
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#187 Mary Shea PhD: From Classical Music to Closing Deals—The Art of Reinventing Your Career – Part One
Mary Shea’s career is proof that you don’t have to stick to one soundtrack.
From a classical musician to a leading voice in sales leadership, she’s taken some bold risks—and in this first episode of a three-part series, she’s sharing the lessons she learned along the way.
As General Manager of Hire Quotient and former co-CEO of Mediafly, Mary is on a mission to amplify underrepresented voices and reshape sales leadership. With insights from her time at Forrester, she also dives into the digital transformation of sales and how creativity plays a bigger role in business than you might think.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Music to Business
“I started as a classical musician, playing with the Mexico City Philharmonic and Guadalajara Symphony. But when the career palette felt too small, I took a leap into business, changing my life forever.”
Sales: The Great Equalizer
“Sales is one of the few fields where hard work and skill can lead to financial independence, regardless of where you start. That independence allows you to make meaningful changes in your life and others’.”
Playing Catch-Up with Purpose
“Coming into the business world with a PhD put me 10 years behind my peers, but it also ignited a fire. I moved quickly, knowing every opportunity was critical to closing that gap.”
Creating the Playbook
“I’m not just about managing to a playbook—I love creating it. The intellectual stimulation of building strategies with teams and seeing them succeed is what drives me.”
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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Mary Shea PhD
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself?
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
At Chief Change Officer, we harness change as a superpower—fueled by global role models who candidly share their insights, hindsights, and foresights—what we call deep human intelligence.
This isn’t digitized knowledge or AI-generated advice. It’s real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Over 17 transitions, I’ve been guided by countless role models, emerging stronger, better, and happier at every critical juncture. Now, I’m here to pass that superpower on to you, bringing together global role models as your guides for personal and professional transformation.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, a transformation guru, or a bold-hearted changemaker—this podcast is for you. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious—so you can outgrow yourself and achieve outcomes beyond imagination and calculation.
A better you awaits.
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