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#254 Deborah Perry Piscione: The End of Traditional Work Begins — Part Two
What happens when a political insider, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, and a bestselling author walk into a podcast? You get Deborah Perry Piscione. She’s gone from shaping policy in Washington, D.C., to writing Employment is Dead, and she’s here to unpack why work as we know it is crumbling.Traditional employment is on life support, and Deborah Perry Piscione is here to explain why. In Part 2 of this two-part series, she breaks down the radical shift in how we work, hire, and learn—plus what it means for companies that refuse to adapt.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Future of Learning – “My son skipped college, built a six-figure business at 15, and spent a year in Antarctica learning survival skills. That kind of real-world experience? You can’t teach that in a classroom.” Why degrees are losing their grip, and how alternative education paths are creating a new kind of talent pipeline.Employment is Dead? – “No, I’m not saying people should sit in their parents’ basement playing video games. I’m saying we don’t have to tolerate outdated, soul-crushing jobs anymore.” Deborah sets the record straight on the book’s provocative title.What Companies Must Do Now – “One person can now do the job of three or four. So what happens to the others? If companies don’t plan for that, they’ll lose their best people before they even see it coming.” Why leaders need to rethink how they train, retain, and engage talent before AI and Web3 force their hand.Work3 and the New Rules of Employment – “We built the Work3 Institute to help companies move forward before they get left behind. The question isn’t ‘Will work change?’ It’s ‘Are you ready for it?’” How Deborah and Josh Drean are guiding businesses through the transformation._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Deborah Perry Piscione__________________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.
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#253 Deborah Perry Piscione: The End of Traditional Work Begins — Part One
What happens when a political insider, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, and a bestselling author walk into a podcast? You get Deborah Perry Piscione. She’s gone from shaping policy in Washington, D.C., to writing Employment is Dead, and she’s here to unpack why work as we know it is crumbling.In Part 1 of this two-part series, Deborah takes us on a wild career ride—working in the White House, pivoting to Silicon Valley, and learning that fear and division drive politics, but collaboration fuels innovation. She shares how a single conversation at a Starbucks led to her first venture funding (yes, really), why failing fast is a non-negotiable skill, and how risk-taking has shaped her entrepreneurial journey.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Capitol Hill to Silicon Valley – “In D.C., I learned how to divide people. In Silicon Valley, I learned how to bring them together.” Deborah reflects on her 18 years in Washington and how moving west flipped her worldview on work, collaboration, and success.The Starbucks Moment – “I was in line at Starbucks when a stranger asked, ‘How can I help you?’ Three weeks later, I was sitting with a top venture capitalist who said, ‘I like you. Figure out something to do. I’ll fund you.’” Deborah’s introduction to Silicon Valley’s pay-it-forward culture changed everything.Entrepreneurial Instincts – “Most of my companies weren’t grand plans—I just saw a problem and built a solution.”From launching a networking platform for women in venture capital to creating a sweat-proof undershirt on a speaking tour, Deborah proves that the best businesses start with simple observations.Work is Changing—Are You? – “We’re moving into a bifurcated workforce—traditional employment will still exist, but the smartest workers are creating their own playbook.” Why the old career paths are fading, and how the next generation is redefining success._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Deborah Perry Piscione_________________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.
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#252 Work3 Institute Co-Founder Josh Drean: Employment is Dead. Now What? — Part Three
Part Three of a 3-part series on Josh Drean. Josh has worn many hats—Harvard MBA, psychology grad, co-founder of Work3 Institute and now, co-author of Employment is Dead (Harvard Business Review Press). We’re kicking off 2025 with a bang—by declaring employment dead. Yes, you read that right. Josh Drean is here to dismantle the traditional job market, toss outdated HR policies into the digital abyss, and redefine what it means to work in the modern world.In the Part 1 of a three-part series with Josh, where we dig into why the corporate world’s obsession with employee engagement surveys is as effective as asking your toaster for career advice. Spoiler alert: Most companies don’t actually want honest feedback from employees.Today's Part 3, where we take the conversation even deeper into the new rules of work.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Degrees vs. skills: The battle for relevance – If Josh and Vince, proud Ivy League grads, are questioning the value of degrees, maybe it’s time we all did.Web3, DAOs, and the digital workplace revolution – Why the next wave of companies won’t have middle managers breathing down your neck.What happens to companies that don’t adapt? – Hint: They’ll struggle to attract Gen Z, Gen Alpha, and anyone who doesn’t dream of a soul-sucking 9-to-5._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Josh Drean_________________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.
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#251 Work3 Institute Co-Founder Josh Drean: Employment is Dead. Now What? — Part Two
Part Two of a 3-part series on Josh Drean. Josh has worn many hats—Harvard MBA, psychology grad, co-founder of Work3 Institute and now, co-author of Employment is Dead (Harvard Business Review Press). In the Part 1 of a three-part series with Josh, we dug into why the corporate world’s obsession with employee engagement surveys is as effective as asking your toaster for career advice. Spoiler alert: Most companies don’t actually want honest feedback from employees.Here in Part 2, where look deep into the book's journey: how did this provocative and ambitious book come about in the very first place?Key Highlights of Our Interview:A Book Born from a Cold Call“I know this sounds completely random, but do you want to write a book together?” That’s how co-author Deborah Perry Piscione kickstarted Employment is Dead. One unexpected call, a bold idea, and a title sticky enough to catch Harvard Business Review’s attention.The Slow Reality of Publishing in a Fast-Changing World“Can you imagine writing a chapter about a year ago and then having it publish a year later? It’s outdated week to week almost.” While AI and Web3 reshape the workforce at lightning speed, traditional publishing still takes years. To bridge the gap, Josh turned to TikTok, LinkedIn, and YouTube—engaging with audiences in real-time while waiting for the book’s release.A 120-Page Proposal and a Bidding War“Before we knew it, we had 120 pages of this proposal, which was much too long.” What started as an overstuffed pitch ended in a bidding war among publishers. The reason? Josh and Deborah weren’t just talking about changing work culture—they were exposing how outdated employment structures hold workers back._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Josh Drean_________________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.
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#250 Work3 Institute Co-Founder Josh Drean: Employment is Dead. Now What? — Part One
Part One of a 3-part series on Josh Drean. Josh has worn many hats—Harvard MBA, psychology grad, co-founder of Work3 Institute and now, co-author of Employment is Dead (Harvard Business Review Press). We’re kicking off 2025 with a bang—by declaring employment dead. Yes, you read that right. Josh Drean is here to dismantle the traditional job market, toss outdated HR policies into the digital abyss, and redefine what it means to work in the modern world.This is Part 1 of a three-part series with Josh, where we dig into why the corporate world’s obsession with employee engagement surveys is as effective as asking your toaster for career advice. Spoiler alert: Most companies don’t actually want honest feedback from employees.Stay tuned for Part 2, where we take the conversation even deeper into the new rules of work.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Why “people are our greatest asset” is corporate gaslighting – If people were really assets, why are they still an expense on the balance sheet?The future is flexible, but companies are stuck in the past – Why forcing employees back to the office is like making them commute to a typewriter factory._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Josh Drean_________________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.
What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself?
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
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