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Normal Curves: Sexy Science, Serious Statistics

Regina Nuzzo and Kristin Sainani
Normal Curves: Sexy Science, Serious Statistics
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  • Normal Curves: Sexy Science, Serious Statistics

    Double Duty: Can the meningitis vaccine also protect against gonorrhea?

    08/10/2026 | 40 mins.
    Can the meningitis vaccine do double duty against gonorrhea? We examine a fascinating randomized trial inspired by years of encouraging observational studies—and what happened when those earlier results were finally put to the test. Along the way, we discuss ecological studies, case-control studies, why statisticians distrust phrases like “trend toward significance,” how intention-to-treat differs from per-protocol analysis, and why no amount of statistical adjustment can fully substitute for randomization. Along the way we celebrate outrageously named clinical trials, ask whether “flirting with statistical significance” belongs in a romance novel or a medical journal, and discover that “practice safe statistics” may be the best advice of the episode.

    Statistical topics
    Case-control studies
    Confounding
    Ecological studies
    Generalizability
    Intention-to-treat
    Meta-analysis
    Null results
    Observational studies
    P-values
    Per-protocol analysis
    Randomized clinical trials
    Survival analysis

    Methodologic Morals
    “Don't mistake a p-value of 0.06 for a p-value of 0.04 with bad luck.”
     “Practice safe statistics; randomize whenever possible.”
    References
    Seib KL, Donovan B, Jin F, et al. Meningococcal B Vaccine to Prevent Neisseria gonorrhoeae Infection. N Engl J Med. 2026; 395: 349-61. 
    Petousis-Harris H, Paynter J, Morgan J, et al. Effectiveness of a group B outer membrane vesicle meningococcal vaccine against gonorrhoea in New Zealand: a retrospective case-control study. The Lancet. 2017; 390: 1603–10.
    Wang, B., Mohammed, H., Andraweera, P., McMillan, M., Marshall, H., 2024. Vaccine effectiveness and impact of meningococcal vaccines against gonococcal infections: A systematic review and meta-analysis. Journal of Infection. 2024; 89: 106225. 
    Molina JM, Bercot B, Assoumou, L, et al. Doxycycline prophylaxis and meningococcal group B vaccine to prevent bacterial sexually transmitted infections in France (ANRS 174 DOXYVAC): a multicentre, open-label, randomised trial with a 2 × 2 factorial design. The Lancet Infectious Diseases. 2024; 24: 1093–1104.
    Thng C, Eskandari S, Jin F, et al. Efficacy of the meningococcal vaccine against Neisseria gonorrhoeae: a randomised clinical trial (MenGO). npj Vaccines. 2026.

    Still Not Significant | Probable Error: List of funny disguises scientists use to describe p>.05

    Kristin and Regina’s online courses: 
    Demystifying Data: A Modern Approach to Statistical Understanding  
    Clinical Trials: Design, Strategy, and Analysis 
    Medical Statistics Certificate Program  
    Writing in the Sciences 
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 
    Programs that we teach in:
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 

    Find us on:
    Kristin -  LinkedIn & Twitter/X
    Regina - LinkedIn & ReginaNuzzo.com

    (00:15) - - Introduction

    (00:51) - - The Claim: Can a Meningitis Vaccine Prevent Gonorrhea?

    (04:10) - - The Biology Behind the Idea

    (10:37) - - How Observational Studies Made the Link

    (14:44) - - Earlier Clinical Trials: MENGO and DOXYVAC

    (17:30) - - Flirting with Significance: A Statistical Rant

    (22:40) - - GoGoVax: Study Design and Analysis

    (33:31) - - The Shocking Null Result

    (35:38) - - Why These Results Don't Generalize

    (37:42) - - Rating the Claim
  • Normal Curves: Sexy Science, Serious Statistics

    Hot Tubbing: Can soaking in hot water help you run faster?

    07/27/2026 | 44 mins.
    Can you improve your endurance by sitting in a hot tub instead of doing another hard workout? We dig into a study that put elite runners through five weeks of what we affectionately call “endurance hot tubbing” to see whether heat alone could trigger the same cardiovascular adaptations as altitude training. Along the way, we explore crossover study designs, multiple testing, why significant physiological changes don’t necessarily translate into better athletic performance, and how an exploratory regression analysis ended up answering the wrong scientific question. We also discover that serious hot tub research involves surprisingly little relaxation, debate whether bubbles should count as an experimental condition, and learn why distance runners pay good money to sleep in tents with some of the oxygen sucked out.

    Statistical topics
    best subsets regression
    causal inference
    crossover studies
    exploratory analyses
    mediation / mechanisms
    model specification
    multiple testing
    peer review
    sample size

    (00:15) - Introduction

    (00:44) - Can Hot Tubs Replace Exercise?

    (01:27) - Crazy Runners and Crazy Training

    (05:44) - The Amazon Delivery System Metaphor

    (12:12) - From Heat Training to Hot Tubs

    (13:33) - The Study: 10 Runners in Hot Water

    (22:31) - Results and the VO2 Max Question

    (29:26) - Statistical Sleuthing: Best Subsets Regression

    (36:50) - The Peer Review Problem

    (41:39) - Rating the Claim

    Methodologic Morals
    “A model can be very good at answering the wrong question.”
     “The label ‘peer reviewed’ does not guarantee ‘carefully reviewed’.”
    References
    Jenkins EJ, Killick JA, Zerilli O, et al. Long-term passive heat acclimation enhances maximal oxygen consumption via haematological and cardiac adaptation in endurance runners. J Physiol. Published online November 20, 2025. doi:10.1113/JP289874
    Stembridge M, Jenkins E. Marathon training: Why hot baths might help you run faster. The Conversation. Published March 16, 2026. doi:10.64628/AB.6vknm9esh

    Kristin and Regina’s online courses: 
    Demystifying Data: A Modern Approach to Statistical Understanding  
    Clinical Trials: Design, Strategy, and Analysis 
    Medical Statistics Certificate Program  
    Writing in the Sciences 
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 
    Programs that we teach in:
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 

    Find us on:
    Kristin -  LinkedIn & Twitter/X
    Regina - LinkedIn & ReginaNuzzo.com

    (00:15) - Introduction

    (00:44) - Can Hot Tubs Replace Exercise?

    (01:27) - Crazy Runners and Crazy Training

    (05:44) - The Amazon Delivery System Metaphor

    (12:12) - From Heat Training to Hot Tubs

    (13:33) - The Study: 10 Runners in Hot Water

    (22:31) - Results and the VO2 Max Question

    (29:26) - Statistical Sleuthing: Best Subsets Regression

    (36:50) - The Peer Review Problem

    (41:39) - Rating the Claim
  • Normal Curves: Sexy Science, Serious Statistics

    Exercise Snacks: Can just four minutes of exercise a day improve blood sugar?

    07/13/2026 | 47 mins.
    Could four one-minute bursts of exercise really improve blood sugar? We try “exercise snacks” ourselves before taking a close look at the clinical trial that inspired headlines. We explain why the study’s main result wasn’t statistically significant, how 34 secondary outcomes complicated the story, and what pre-registration can reveal about a study after it’s published. Along the way, we compare notes on our own exercise-snacking adventures, debate continuous glucose monitors, and ask how much evidence a single study should generate before it becomes health news.

    Statistical topics
    Crossover design
    Multiple testing
    Pre-registration
    Primary vs secondary outcomes
    Randomized controlled trial
    Research transparency
    Methodologic Morals
    “It's good relationship advice to be transparent. It's also good research advice.”
    “If the primary outcome is not significant, say it up top.”
    References
    Babir FJ, Marcotte-Chénard A, Sandilands RE, et al. Exercise snacks performed in real-world settings reduce postprandial hyperglycaemia and glycaemic variability in individuals living with type 2 diabetes: a randomised crossover study. Diabetologia. 2026;69(8):2200-2211. doi:10.1007/s00125-026-06741-2
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2026/05/28/4-minutes-exercise-day-could-help-control-blood-sugar/
    clinicaltrials.gov pre-registration with changes: https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06382246?term=NCT06382246&rank=1&tab=history&a=1&b=2#version-content-panel

    Kristin and Regina’s online courses: 
    Demystifying Data: A Modern Approach to Statistical Understanding  
    Clinical Trials: Design, Strategy, and Analysis 
    Medical Statistics Certificate Program  
    Writing in the Sciences 
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 
    Programs that we teach in:
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 

    Find us on:
    Kristin -  LinkedIn & Twitter/X
    Regina - LinkedIn & ReginaNuzzo.com

    (00:00) - Intro

    (04:06) - The claim: four minutes a day

    (07:05) - Our own N of 1 experiments

    (13:24) - The study

    (21:54) - Primary outcome: complete miss

    (25:16) - Secondary outcomes to the rescue?

    (35:02) - Statistical sleuthing and transparency

    (44:23) - Rating the claim
  • Normal Curves: Sexy Science, Serious Statistics

    Cancer Blood Tests Part 2: The clinical trial

    06/29/2026 | 57 mins.
    How do you decide whether a clinical trial “worked”? In Part 2 of our Galleri series, we examine the landmark randomized trial of a blood test designed to detect more than 50 cancers. We explore why different outcome measures led to dramatically different headlines, discuss primary versus secondary outcomes, pre-registration, hierarchical testing, and post hoc analyses, and explain why mortality remains the outcome everyone is waiting for. Along the way, we uncover a statistical mystery involving dozens of missing cancers and discover how a little arithmetic can sometimes reveal more than a press release.
    Statistical topics
    cancer screening
    exploratory analyses
    hierarchical testing
    missing data
    multiple testing
    outcome measures
    post hoc analyses
    pre-registration
    primary and secondary outcomes
    randomized clinical trials
    screening tests

    Methodologic Morals
    “When the simple numbers don't add up, pay attention. The arithmetic may be trying to tell you something.”
    “The first question should not be, did it work? It should be, what counts as success?”

    References
    Giridhar KV, et al. Safety and performance results from PATHFINDER 2, a registrational study of a multi-cancer early detection test in an intended-use population. Presented at the 2026 American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) Annual Meeting. May 2026.
    Hubbell E, Clarke CA, Aravanis AM, Berg CD. Modeled Reductions in Late-stage Cancer with a Multi-Cancer Early Detection Test. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2021;30(3):460-468. doi:10.1158/1055-9965.EPI-20-1134
    Neal RD, Johnson P, Clarke CA, et al. Cell-Free DNA-Based Multi-Cancer Early Detection Test in an Asymptomatic Screening Population (NHS-Galleri): Design of a Pragmatic, Prospective Randomised Controlled Trial. Cancers (Basel). 2022;14(19):4818. Published 2022 Oct 1. doi:10.3390/cancers14194818
    ASCO slides: https://grail.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Swanton_ASCO-2026_NHS-Galleri_FINAL-Slides-05.26.2026.pdf
    UK registry protocol:  https://www.isrctn.com/ISRCTN91431511 
    Clinicaltrials.gov protocol: https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05611632 

    Common biases in cancer screening studies
    Cancer screening studies are subject to several well-known biases that can make a screening test appear more effective than it actually is. Three of the most important are:
    Lead-time bias: Screening advances the time of diagnosis, making survival from diagnosis appear longer even if the patient's lifespan is unchanged. For example, if a screening test detects a Stage II cancer at age 60 that otherwise would have been diagnosed because of symptoms at age 62, but the patient dies at age 68 regardless, survival from diagnosis appears to increase from 6 years to 8 years even though the patient did not live any longer. 
    Length bias: Screening preferentially detects slower-growing, less aggressive cancers because they remain detectable for longer than fast-growing cancers. For example, a slow-growing cancer that remains in Stage I for 5 years is much more likely to be found by screening than an aggressive cancer that progresses to symptoms within months. This can make screened patients appear to have better survival simply because screening preferentially found the less aggressive cancers. 
    Overdiagnosis: Screening detects cancers that would never have caused symptoms or death during a person's lifetime, leading to unnecessary diagnosis and treatment. For example, a screening test may detect a very slow-growing prostate or thyroid cancer in an older adult that would never have become clinically important if it had remained undiscovered. 

    Kristin and Regina’s online courses: 

    Demystifying Data: A Modern Approach to Statistical Understanding  
    Clinical Trials: Design, Strategy, and Analysis 
    Medical Statistics Certificate Program  
    Writing in the Sciences 
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 
    Programs that we teach in:
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 

    Find us on:
    Kristin -  LinkedIn & Twitter/X
    Regina - LinkedIn & ReginaNuzzo.com

    (00:00) - Intro

    (03:39) - The Claim: Not Ready for Primetime

    (03:58) - Trial Design: 142,000 Participants

    (07:50) - The Primary Outcome Problem

    (20:29) - The Primary Endpoint: Complete Miss

    (22:14) - Three Arguments for the Defense

    (28:29) - - Statistical Sleuthing: Missing Cancers

    (41:14) - - The Stage Shift Argument

    (50:30) - - Rating the Claim
  • Normal Curves: Sexy Science, Serious Statistics

    Cancer Blood Tests: Are they ready for primetime? Part 1

    06/15/2026 | 43 mins.
    Can a single tube of blood really detect dozens of cancers before symptoms appear? We dive into the science behind Galleri, a blood test that claims to detect more than 50 types of cancer from a simple blood draw. Recent headlines about the test ranged from “breakthrough” to “bust” after the release of results from a massive randomized clinical trial. In this Part 1 episode, we explore cell-free DNA, DNA methylation, machine learning, sensitivity, specificity, and positive predictive value. Along the way, we revisit the prenatal screening revolution, ask why detecting cancer earlier doesn’t always help patients, and learn how escaped DNA convicts end up swimming in a giant molecular pool party. And for the first time ever, Normal Curves ends on a cliffhanger: we’ll save the controversial results of that landmark trial for Part 2.
    Statistical topics
    cancer screening
    case-control studies
    counterfactuals
    machine learning
    negative predictive value
    overdiagnosis
    positive predictive value
    randomized clinical trials
    screening tests
    sensitivity and specificity
    validation

    References
    Bianchi DW, Chudova D, Sehnert AJ, et al. Noninvasive prenatal testing and incidental detection of occult maternal malignancies. JAMA. 2015; 314:162-9. 
    Liu MC, Oxnard GR, Klein EA, et al. Sensitive and specific multi-cancer detection and localization using methylation signatures in cell-free DNA. Ann Oncol. 2020. 31:745-59. 
    Schrag D, Beer T, McDonnell C et al. Blood-based tests for multicancer early detection (PATHFINDER): a prospective cohort study. The Lancet. 402: 1251-60.
    Giridhar KV, et al. Safety and performance results from PATHFINDER 2, a registrational study of a multi-cancer early detection test in an intended-use population. Presented at the 2026 American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) Annual Meeting. May 2026.

    Statistic discussed in the episode

    PATHFINDER 2 investigators reported that adding Galleri to routine screening increased the number of screen-detected cancers by 6.5-fold. This figure compares 31 cancers detected through USPSTF-recommended screening (for breast, cervical, lung, and colon) with 204 cancers detected when Galleri was added, counting the same 31 conventional-screening cancers in both totals. Thus, describing the increase as 6.5-fold is misleading, since the combination of Galleri plus conventional screening is, by definition, guaranteed to detect at least as many cancers as conventional screening alone. Moreover, everyone in the study received Galleri, whereas conventional screening depended on which tests participants happened to be due for and completed during the study period. The comparison therefore does not involve two equally applied screening strategies.

    Kristin and Regina’s online courses: 

    Demystifying Data: A Modern Approach to Statistical Understanding  
    Clinical Trials: Design, Strategy, and Analysis 
    Medical Statistics Certificate Program  
    Writing in the Sciences 
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 
    Programs that we teach in:
    Epidemiology and Clinical Research Graduate Certificate Program 

    Find us on:
    Kristin -  LinkedIn & Twitter/X
    Regina - LinkedIn & ReginaNuzzo.com

    (00:00) - - Introduction

    (00:44) - - The Holy Grail of Cancer Testing

    (04:31) - - Headlines: Same Data, Opposite Stories

    (07:38) - - How Cell-Free DNA Works

    (13:54) - - DNA Methylation: GRAIL's Fingerprint

    (15:19) - - The Origin Story

    (22:18) - - The Pathfinder Studies

    (35:01) - - The Paradox: Why Earlier Detection Doesn't Always Help

    (40:32) - - The Cliffhanger
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About Normal Curves: Sexy Science, Serious Statistics
Normal Curves is a podcast about sexy science & serious statistics. Ever try to make sense of a scientific study and the numbers behind it? Listen in to a lively conversation between two stats-savvy friends who break it all down with humor and clarity. Professors Regina Nuzzo of Gallaudet University and Kristin Sainani of Stanford University discuss academic papers journal club-style — except with more fun, less jargon, and some irreverent, PG-13 content sprinkled in. Join Kristin and Regina as they dissect the data, challenge the claims, and arm you with tools to assess scientific studies on your own.
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