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Podcast EMS One-Stop
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Explore the forefront of EMS leadership with Rob Lawrence on the ”EMS One-Stop” Podcast. Tackling critical issues like staffing, service delivery and operationa...

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  • Lessons from the McClain case: Protecting first responders and improving EMS practices
    In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence is joined by Shana Beggan, Esq.; and Mike Pellow, Esq., defense attorneys representing one of the firefighters involved in the tragic Elijah McClain case. Beggan and Pellow discuss the complex legal and systemic issues surrounding the incident, including communication breakdowns, inadequate training, and the challenges faced by EMS and fire personnel when operating in chaotic environments. They also address the broader implications for EMS professionals, highlighting the importance of proper documentation, the use of body-worn cameras, and the need for stronger inter-agency collaboration between police and EMS teams. This interview provides invaluable insights into the case and the steps necessary to improve EMS practices moving forward. Beggan and Pellow share their experiences navigating the criminal and civil aspects of the case, emphasizing the importance of understanding the limitations and constraints that EMS providers face in high-pressure situations. They also advocate policy changes, such as enhanced training, better resource allocation and the introduction of body-worn cameras to protect both first responders and the patients they serve. Their passionate discussion sheds light on the need for reform within EMS, encouraging listeners to reflect on their own practices and consider how they can contribute to a safer and more effective emergency response system. Key quotes "First responders are people who run towards difficulties and trauma when many run away, and to see somebody be charged in this situation and the fallout from it ... has become a very strong passion for myself and for Mike." — Shana Beggan "You take somebody – basically the bottom of an entire healthcare system – and say, let's blame this person, let's criminalize this. That is the wrong thing to do." — Mike Pellow "I think that we need to allow for honest conversations in a safe way, not a blame-the-finger approach." — Shana Beggan "We need to be better at helping first responders, not making them look over their shoulders and thinking, ‘Where am I going to get whacked in the back of the head if something goes wrong?’" — Mike Pellow "We perform the way we train, and here the training was poor. We condone or even promote what we fail to address." — Shana Beggan Takeaways and actionable items Improve documentation practices. Ensure that EMS providers document not only their actions, but also their thought processes. This can help prevent misinterpretation of their actions in high-stress situations and provide valuable context in legal proceedings. Advocate for body-worn cameras. Implement body-worn cameras for EMS teams to improve transparency, protect first responders, and provide better evidence for both patient care and legal purposes. However, ensure that funding for such programs comes from appropriate sources, rather than placing additional strain on already underfunded EMS budgets. Enhance training and protocols. EMS and police departments should collaborate on joint training sessions, focusing on clear communication, proper patient handoffs, and how to handle complex situations, like excited delirium. Ensure that protocols are updated regularly and that training is implemented in real-world scenarios. Timeline 01:48 – Introduction: Rob Lawrence introduces the episode and guests Shana Beggan, Esq.; and Mike Pellow, Esq. 04:21 – Case background: Pellow provides a brief overview of the Elijah McClain case, the charges against the paramedics, and the current status of the case. 07:10 – Communication breakdowns: Beggan discusses the major issues surrounding communication between police and EMS, particularly the lack of information shared between the different teams at the scene. 10:35 – Documentation and reporting: Beggan and Pellow emphasize the importance of documentation in EMS, especially in legal situations, and discuss how inadequate reporting and the failure to document actions and decisions contributed to the case. 12:01 – Body-worn cameras: Pellow advocates for the use of body-worn cameras in EMS to provide better documentation and protect both patients and responders. 19:25 – Police and EMS collaboration: Beggan and Pellow discuss the importance of training police and EMS teams together to improve coordination and response. 28:00 – Legal implications and criminalization of EMS: Beggan and Pellow discuss the growing trend of criminalizing medical practice in EMS and the need to protect providers from unjust legal consequences. 46:11 – Support from fire leadership: Beggan shares the support from the Aurora fire chief, who highlighted systemic failures and underscored the importance of better training and protocols. 50:57 – Closing remarks: Rob thanks Beggan and Pellow for sharing their insights and the discussion closes with a focus on the need for systemic change within EMS and emergency response. 
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  • From chaos to command: Lessons from the New Year’s Day tragedy in New Orleans
    In this sobering episode of EMS One-Stop, host Rob Lawrence sits down with Chief Bill Salmeron of New Orleans EMS to discuss the tragic events that unfolded on New Year’s Day 2025, when a vehicle plowed through crowds in the French Quarter, resulting in 15 fatalities and 57 injuries, including two police officers. Chief Salmeron provides a detailed account of the incident, the immediate EMS response, and the coordinated efforts with law enforcement and hospitals to manage the mass casualty incident. The conversation also delves into the psychological impact on EMS personnel, the value of training and preparedness, and lessons learned from handling such a large-scale event. Chief Salmeron emphasizes the importance of communication, mutual aid and the mental wellbeing of first responders, offering insights into how New Orleans EMS plans to support its teams in the long recovery process ahead. Key quotes from the episode “You don’t teach that level of decision-making in EMT class. Telling a family member or police officer that you can’t help their loved one is one of the hardest things you’ll ever do.” — Chief Bill Salmeron “The recovery from an incident like this doesn’t take days or weeks – it takes years.” —Rob Lawrence “I told my team to go back to headquarters. I needed to put eyes on every single one of them and make sure they were OK.” — Chief Bill Salmeron “Situational awareness and incident command are critical. It’s about restoring order from chaos.” —Rob Lawrence “What we do is a unique calling. It’s critical to appreciate and take care of each other and ourselves.” — Chief Bill Salmeron “This episode is a masterclass for anyone planning for mass casualty incidents. Listen, learn and prepare.” —Rob Lawrence Timeline 00:21 – Introduction to the episode and overview of 2025’s challenging start, including the New Year’s Day tragedy in New Orleans 01:22 – Chief Salmeron describes the initial setup and EMS operations in the French Quarter 03:26 – Incident details: the truck’s path, immediate EMS response, and the scale of injuries 06:01 – Incident command and mutual aid coordination, including the deployment of 13 ambulances 09:43 – Managing hospital capacities and patient transport logistics during the MCI 15:11 – The discovery of explosive devices and the role of EMS in securing and retreating from the scene 23:01 – Post-incident response: staff debriefings, mental health support and lessons learned 33:31 – Preparing for future events like the Super Bowl and Mardi Gras under heightened security 41:06 – Five key takeaways for leading and managing mass casualty incidents 50:28 – Closing thoughts and appreciation for first responders’ dedication and resilience Additional resources New Orleans EMS
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  • Navigating extreme weather: Insights from DHS Chief Meteorologist, Sunny Wescott
    Join Rob Lawrence on EMS One-Stop as he welcomes Sunny Wescott, chief meteorologist at the Department of Homeland Security, for an eye-opening discussion about the impact of extreme weather on emergency services and critical infrastructure. Sunny shares her expertise on meteorological trends, the challenges of preparing for severe weather events, and the evolving role of EMS in managing climate-induced emergencies. From hurricanes and polar vortices, to the implications of electric vehicle adoption during extreme weather, this episode is packed with actionable insights for public safety leaders and EMS professionals. Rob and Sunny explore the complex interplay between extreme weather and emergency response, emphasizing the importance of proactive planning and reliable information sources. Sunny delves into the science behind weather phenomena like atmospheric rivers, Rex blocks and heatwaves, connecting them to real-world challenges faced by first responders. During this edition of EMS One-Stop discover the tools, resources and strategies Sunny recommends for staying ahead of severe weather impacts on both infrastructure and personnel, and gain practical advice for improving communication with the public during weather crises, ensuring safety and minimizing risk. Key quotes from this episode “The uneven heating of our planet is amplifying weather events, making them stronger and more unpredictable.” — Sunny Wescott “The weather affects everything – and for EMS leaders, preparation isn't optional, it's essential.” — Rob Lawrence “We’re seeing infrastructure pushed to its breaking point by weather extremes – things we couldn’t anticipate when they were built.” — Sunny Wescott “Sometimes, the hardest command decision is telling your crews, ‘We’re hunkering down now.’ It’s the right call, but it’s never an easy one.” — Rob Lawrence “Your life means so much more than the possessions inside your home. Evacuate early – it’s always the safest choice.” — Sunny Wescott “Let’s face it: weather is as much a part of public safety planning as personnel and resources.” — Rob Lawrence “Weather preparedness isn’t just about forecasts; it’s about collaboration, data sharing and breaking down silos across sectors.” — Sunny Wescott Timeline 00:24 – Rob’s introduction and reflections on weather in the UK and US 01:22 – Sunny explains global weather patterns and their cascading impacts 03:32 – Sunny describes her role at DHS and how critical infrastructure is assessed against weather risks 11:13 – Hurricane trends, preparedness and landfall impacts for 2025 20:00 – EMS-specific challenges during extreme heat and cold, including effects on equipment and personnel 24:04 – How to interpret long-term weather forecasts and model reliability 30:06 – Operational decisions during extreme weather events, like grounding helicopters and using resources wisely 36:06 – Final thoughts on misinformation, insurance concerns, and public safety resilience Additional resources EMS in a changing climate: Understanding the impact of extreme weather Snowfall Reports from past events Annual Lightning Report 2024 – Xweather NWS Probabilistic Precipitation Portal National Fire News | National Interagency Fire Center AirNow Fire and Smoke Map Incidents | CAL FIRE Evaporative Demand Drought Index (EDDI): NOAA Physical Sciences Laboratory Zoom Earth | Live Weather Map & Hurricane Tracker Nullschool Earth :: a global map of wind, weather, and ocean conditions National Weather Service  
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  • An inside look at the New Orleans EMS body-worn camera program
    In this insightful episode of EMS One-Stop, host Rob Lawrence revisits New Orleans EMS to explore their pioneering use of body-worn cameras, joined by Chris Keller, chief of operations at New Orleans EMS. The discussion dives into the motivations, challenges and successes of implementing this technology. From its initial deployment on tactical medic teams in 2018, to its current broader rollout, Chris shares the journey of navigating legal frameworks, staff buy-in and operational logistics. The conversation also highlights how body-worn cameras enhance patient care documentation, bolster staff safety and provide an unbiased account of events, positioning them as an emerging industry standard. This episode offers practical advice on policy development, procurement processes and operational use cases, including their application during Mardi Gras and high-acuity events. With the aim to demystify the implementation process, Chris emphasizes the importance of collaboration, adaptability and using technology to improve EMS practices. Rob and Chris also discuss future goals for the program, funding challenges, and the potential for body-worn cameras to become a cornerstone of EMS operations nationwide.
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  • NEMSQA 2024: Dr. Jeff Jarvis on airway safety and the path to EMS improvement
    Dr Jeff Jarvis joins Rob Lawrence to discuss the recently released National EMS Quality Alliance (NEMSQA) Measures Report – “Enhancing airway management one measure at a time.” The report begins with the following robust Foreword: “NEMSQA is not satisfied with the state of airway management safety in EMS. As you will see, the data clearly shows that we can do much better across our industry! Partnering with experts and EMS agencies around the country, NEMSQA is leading the second national EMS Quality Improvement Partnership (EQuIP), the Airway Management Collaborative to put the new NEMSQA airway measures to work.” “Enhancing airway management one measure at a time” is the sequel to the Lights and Siren Collaborative and will utilize the Institute for Healthcare Improvement’s Breakthrough Series collaborative model. The goal of the project is to support national improvement in the safety and effectiveness of invasive airway management by focusing on two goals: Reducing the adverse events, such as peri-intubation hypoxia and hypotension Improving the use of waveform capnography to confirm and monitor all invasive airways Rob and Dr. Jarvis discuss the report and actions individuals and their agencies should take to improve their personal and organizational airway management and patient outcome results. Find more EMS One-Stop episodes here!
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Explore the forefront of EMS leadership with Rob Lawrence on the ”EMS One-Stop” Podcast. Tackling critical issues like staffing, service delivery and operational challenges, each episode delves into the latest in patient care enhancement, EMS technology advancements; and emerging trends like AI, telehealth, quality improvement and alternate destinations with industry experts. Rob Lawrence brings to the table his extensive expertise from decades of service spanning the American Ambulance Association, AIMHI, Richmond Ambulance Authority, Pro EMS, Prodigy EMS Education and the East Anglian Ambulance NHS Trust. Stay informed with the latest EMS industry news, organizational updates and inspiring agency success stories. Tune in to the ”EMS One-Stop” Podcast for a deep dive into the challenges and triumphs of EMS leadership in today’s dynamic prehospital care landscape.
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