Conway & Stevens: Kilmar’s Fate, Harvard’s Fight & America's Last Best Hope
John is joined by a pair of former GOP panjandrums turned NeverTrump stalwarts — attorney George Conway and political strategist Stuart Stevens — to discuss the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case and Donald Trump’s efforts to turn the U.S. into a police state. Conway and Stevens argue that the guardrails preventing that outcome are banged up but still holding; that the real test of them will come when (not if) the administration defies the Supreme Court even more flagrantly than it has already; and that Harvard is offering the kind of a master class in resistance to MAGA bullying that many of the nation’s top law firms have been too gutless and/or greedy to provide. They also explain why Trump’s economic illiteracy and its consequences may prove to be what saves American democracy.
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Maya Wiley: The Rule of Lawlessness
John is joined by Maya Wiley, president and CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, to discuss the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia and its implications for the rule of law in America. Wiley argues that the case -- and Donald Trump's open defiance of the Supreme Court's unanimous order that the administration facilitate Garcia's repatriation from a notorious penal colony in El Salvador -- is about more than Garcia's fate, immigration or foreign policy, the Trump administration's deportation agenda, or even the constitutional principle of due process. It's about Trump's yen for unchecked power, and how, if he gets it, the next Kilmar Abrego Garcia could be you.
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Steve Rattner: No Way to Run a Railroad (Let Alone the World Economy)
John is joined by longtime Wall Street eminence and former “car czar” Steve Rattner to discuss the impact of Donald Trump’s tariff jihad on global financial markets and the American economy. Rattner explains why the theory of the case animating Trump’s protectionist agenda is “disjointed,” “illogical,” and “incoherent,” and its execution has been even worse; why the reputational damage the U.S. is suffering as a result among its allies around the world will be difficult to undo; why the claims by Trump’s advisers that last week’s abrupt policy shifts were all part of some master plan are ludicrous on their face; and why the endgame of the full-scale trade war now underway with China is impossible to foresee. Rattner also assesses the degree of fiscal irresponsibility Republican budget plan making its way through Congress—and whether the chickens may finally be about to come home to roost when it comes to America's unprecedented debt and deficits.
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Chris Krebs: Cyberattacks, Cyberdefenses & Trump 2.0’s Cybersurrender
John is joined by former U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency director Chris Krebs to discuss the Trump 2.0 rollback of the nation’s cyberdefenses—an interview taped just an hour before Trump ordered the Justice Department to investigate Krebs, who earned the president’s enmity four years ago by declaring the 2020 election “the most secure in American history.” Krebs details the rapidly escalating and dramatically expanding threats posed by Chinese and Russian hackers to America's corporations, public and private infrastructure, and voting systems; how and why the administration is dismantling the agencies and programs designed to stave off those threats; and the potential risks to the security of our elections as a result of gutting CISA, the organization Krebs once led … and Trump himself signed into law.
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Marc Elias: Trump’s War on Big Law & Most Perilous Power Grab
John is joined by Marc Elias, the attorney whom Donaled Trump has cast as his bete noire in the legal profession, to discuss the president’s war on the judiciary, the bar, and the rule of law itself. Elias explains why the executive order titled “Preserving and Protecting the Integrity of American Elections” is designed to do just the opposite, making it the most dangerous of Trump's myriad power grabs; why we aren’t yet in a constitutional crisis but soon could be; and why Trump’s threats have caused so many prestigious law firms to bend the knee. Marc also tells John why he hasn’t done the same despite being plenty worried by Trump’s singling him out as a “very bad" person and a “thug".
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